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Re: The BEAT DOWN ROOM (BDR)
« Reply #1065 on: June 27, 2020, 05:32:16 PM »
I'm gonna miss this thread the most, and yet maybe it'll be good to finally have the platform to say whatever I want be taken away.

Some unused ideas:

At one point I had thought to make a new profile called "The Real Blackbird" or something like that, where I would basically pretend I was Blackbird. The only difference would've been was that I would take a recent post of his and actually tell the truth and say what he really means. I had already done that a few times in my regular posts though (even as recently as this past February when he reviewed a QR show), so creating a new profile and adopting a "persona" - while fun - seemed to be a lot of work.

The Rockox Professional Theatre? I had totally considered doing actual readings of those - where I'd record myself performing both parts separately and then present them splitscreen - and then uploading them on YouTube. Again, seemed like a lot of work, but it sure would've been a fun exercise.


You still have a couple months left yet  >:D We need one more "Rockox Professional Theatre" send off presentation that is the best of the bunch.
No pressure dude, you got this  ;D



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Re: The BEAT DOWN ROOM (BDR)
« Reply #1066 on: September 17, 2020, 07:40:39 AM »
I've got some leftovers kicking around here that I might as well unload here before this whole place goes tits up. As much as Blackbird always appeared to be rummaging thru the trash trying to find dirt on the guys in Queensryche, it appears I'm rummaging thru my OWN trash for one last kick at the can.

This DTF post is from March 2018, where another DTF poster criticized Blackbird for taking little digs at Queensryche. And Blackbird was having NONE of it. UH-OH. THIS CAT'S GOT CLAWS! Hahahaha. This is also an interesting read after reading Blackbird's "confession" from January 2020. Look at how much our boy has grown in just two short years:

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For the millionth time, Queensryche fucked things up so badly once they dropped the self-titled record in 2013. There was so much positive buzz, a great chart debut, and what did they do? Catered to the hair metal contingent, doing fly-ins instead of putting in the hard work and rebuilding by getting on a bus and playing 130 dates.  That was what they needed to do, and they could have done it.

They had a choice -- they could do the fly-in route for most of their shows, pocketing cash, with less strain on them, traveling-wise, or the booking agent could get them on a bus and they could headline clubs. They took the former, because it was more money and less work. And it was mentioned to them, more than once (and not just by me), that while it would work in the short term, it was an error in terms of rebuilding their brand long term. They did it anyway.

Now, five years after that conversation, it is pretty obvious what went down.

Add to that the fact they play 80-minute headline shows consisting of barely any of their material with Todd, they firmly embraced being a nostalgia band. Again, great for casino gigs. Not good for re-establishing yourself in front of a metal audience (which was originally what they said they wanted to do). It is not hard to play a 90-minute gig, featuring 30-40 minutes of new material.

I've heard all the arguments from La Torre about how "hard" it is to pick songs, and the makeup of crowds, etc....whatever. That's a fucking lame excuse, and everyone knows it. If you're a relevant band, you go out and play your new material. THEY chose to play to casino crowds, playing up the hair band portion of their fan base. THEY chose to play shorter sets (bare minimum). THEY chose to not play their current songs.

If bands such as Fates Warning and Iced Earth can go out there and support their new material, so could have Queensryche. It was a decision not to, based on whatever ridiculous notions they had in their heads. All they did was screw themselves. Both by not getting in a bus and doing the grassroots touring that was needed, and by their choice of what to play. It really is a shame, because they bet on the nostalgia aspect revitalizing the band, and they were wrong.

In late 2013/all of 2014, they could have: Played five songs from the self-titled, then 10 or 11 back catalog hits in a 90-minute set.

In 2016, they could have: Played five songs from Condition Human, three songs from self-titled, and eight songs from the back catalog hits in a 90-minute set.

That's really not hard. AT ALL.

So hey, Cruithne, you want a dig, there's the dig. The fucked themselves by becoming a nostalgia act playing casinos and trying to cash in on hits, instead of actually putting in the touring work and embracing their new material. No "surreptitious digs" whatsoever on my end. Just a direct, full-on criticism of the asinine moves they've made since 2013.

More to come, folks!
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Re: The BEAT DOWN ROOM (BDR)
« Reply #1067 on: September 28, 2020, 01:03:12 PM »
More shit from my junk drawer:

I'm not sure if this is a new entry, but something in the "history" blog from AL.net that I found interesting:

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Much has happened to Queensryche in the years since DeGarmo's initial departure and the original lineup's aborted reunion attempt in 2002-2003. Most notably, Jackson, Rockenfield and Wilton kicked Tate out of the band in 2012, resulting in a vicious lawsuit between Tate and his former bandmates. Ultimately, the rights to the name Queensryche ended up in the hands of the three remaining founding members of the band, and a new lead singer took up the formidable task of replacing Tate.

With the drama that ensued from the lawsuit and many years of conflict between the members, I've found that the history of Queensryche's original lineup has been swept under the carpet to a degree. While fans can look up the basics of Queensryche's history on Wikipedia, the account is written for an audience to surf in, grab what they need and go. The passion fans had for the band in the 1980s and early 1990s isn't there, and the nuances in Queensryche's story isn't represented in that account.

My hope is that AnybodyListening.net changes that. This site is written with the goal of connecting the reader with the feelings they had when they first discovered Queensryche in those early years of the band. And if you came on-board after the original lineup disbanded, this biography might give you a taste of why Queensryche was so different than their contemporaries during their peak and just why the band was heralded by fans and peers.

Someone once told me that fans had a "romantic view" of how a band creates music. Technically, that person was right, of course, but doesn't music exist as a release for both the artist and the audience? It's a business, but for those who develop a rabid affinity for a particular work, the words and music speak to them on a level that can't be properly described.

The music the original lineup of Queensryche poured out of their souls did that for me, you, and thousands of others across the world. As Queensryche now finds itself without two of the three primary songwriters from that golden period, I believe it's important to have the original band's story preserved and presented.

So kick back, throw on the EP, The Warning, Rage for Order, Operation: Mindcrime, Empire, Promised Land, Hear in the Now Frontier, and those moments on Tribe where Queensryche was fully reunited, and travel back down the roads to madness with me. Take Hold!

So in a nutshell, after all of Blackbird's banging the drum and hard work over the years to overthrow Tate and save Queensryche's good name, he's ultimately left with a version of the band he doesn't like anymore (and whose members don't like him, hahaha). So he wants to forget about all the ugliness (including, as O:QR said, the havoc he himself wrecked everywhere) and focus on the band back when he was just a fan and hadn't gotten intimately involved with all the players. Considering all his efforts didn't play out the way he wanted them to, you can't really blame the guy for wanting to just flat-out ignore most of Queensryche's history or everything he hoped to achieve in the last 10 years or so. And being able to limit his focus to the creamy, dreamy original line-up (back before he knew members of the band, if I'm not mistaken) is an easy therapeutic exercise.

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Remember how I always said that if Blackbird and Todd were pals, Blackbird would have NEVER left that Amazon leak up? And do you wanna know why? Because when the BDR was at its most popular, one of its rules regarding posting links said this:

“While it isn’t exactly illegal to post such links, it violates the spirit of Rule #2 and is also unfair and disrespectful to the artist that recorded the material.”

Blackbird violated that spirit when he left the link to the Amazon leak up, and he damn well knows it. He violated that spirit HARRRRRRD.
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Re: The BEAT DOWN ROOM (BDR)
« Reply #1068 on: September 29, 2020, 01:04:21 PM »
Thought this was an appropriate send-off for the jewel in DTF's crown. A salute to The Beat Down Room!

Four Years Gone – A Final, Closing Post

All good things come to an end, and for The Beat Down Room, that time is almost upon us. Effective with Blackbird's eventual announcement about his future plans for finally getting over himself and his personal hang-ups, this forum will permanently close its doors, ending a successful four years of discussions and debate about the man, the legend: Samsara aka Blackbird aka End of Line aka AL.net aka Rustvold.

When we started The Beat Down Room initially in 2016, it was in response to being mocked by Blackbird on the official Breakdown Room forum in 2015. I remember that we had clamored for Blackbird to get his head out of his ass. We banged the drum repeatedly, which caused Blackbird (or Lucretia) to post under Blackbird's name, saying “Oh, NJF, Rockox, save us, we can't do it without you. But if you don't like it here…go ahead and play in a new sandbox.”

Following that, we were continually censored by Blackbird and his forum administrators and moderators. Blackbird even privately messaged us and told us to stop posting, because our speculations about what went on behind the scenes with Blackbird was close to the truth and he didn't like it being known. We refused, and were finally banned – not for doing anything wrong, but by speaking in our defense after being mocked by Blackbird.

The Beat Down Room was started shortly thereafter. The goal was to provide a public forum where people could post their honest thoughts about the Breakdown Room and its direction without being censored or intimidated by others.

Personally, we wanted the forum to be a sounding board for fans who wanted change in the way the forum was being handled. We wanted Blackbird to realize what he was doing was wrong and reconnect with himself and forge good writing. We wanted the former journalist that was all for taking credit for as much of Queensrÿche's successes as possible at the expense of others, axed.

Change takes time, and it got worse before it got better. As we all found out, Blackbird kept trying to rewrite his own history and take more credit than he deserved for the band's success (I still can't fathom how he tried to claim some sort of credit for “American Soldier,” but that's a different story) until he finally overplayed his hand on that fateful day in the "So I thought this was interesting" thread. That was a sad moment, but a needed one.

On a personal note, we never wanted Blackbird to go down the path he did. We envisioned from the start a Blackbird that would realize what he was doing was wrong and find a way to see the middle ground with his former forum mates. It couldn't happen, unfortunately. The Beat Down Room posts show why. We all know what followed – we disowned him, struck gold with The Beat Down Room, and created the type of posts we all knew we were capable of writing together if allowed.

It took a couple years, but the mission of The Beat Down Room was achieved. Whatever the outcome of the Blackbird's behavioral disorders, change happened, in our opinion, for the better.

But there comes a point with every successful venture where you need to move on. There will always be a need for a place where open commentary, free from censorship, will be needed with Blackbird. The guy is too polarizing for a place in the vein of The Beat Down Room not to exist.

But after 4 years, our day spearheading that effort is done. The battles were fought and we won. Definitively. And no matter what type of spin-job the haters try and put on this forum's history in the years to come, they know it, we know it and Blackbird knows it. The Beat Down Room was victorious in its mission to help restore Blackbird to his basement, and no one can take that away from all of us that have been a part of it.

The time has come for someone else to take up the mantle. We could leave this forum open, but doing so means any administrators that follow us would have to deal with the jealousy, hate and biases from The Beat Down Room's detractors. That isn't fair to those that may want to follow in our footsteps.

Instead, we'll close the doors here and encourage all of you to continue speaking the word wherever you see fit. Just because Blackbird is on a new forum doesn't mean you can't question what he does. You should be questioning him – always. You should be critical of his writing, the blogs he posts, the tracklists he warnings, the journalistic he integreties, the simply he puts, the personalities he involves, and the way he handles the number 156. But do it respectfully and when necessary, keep banging the drum for change when everyone tells you it's pointless to be critical. That's what we did, and as it turns out, we were right.

Finally, thank you to everyone who made this community what it was for the last six years – my wife (I guess?), the other admins and mods and all the fans. While The Beat Down Room will not get the credit publicly for the role it played in getting Blackbird back on track, trust us when we say – it had a major role. More than any of you realize. And you all helped tremendously in that effort. Thank you.

Best wishes to Blackbird as he bookends his career with hopefully a handful of plates of humble pie, many moments of clarity, and the odd kick in the pants, for everyone to enjoy. Thank you for letting us be a part of your rebirth. We wish you and your family success and good fortune.

Take care everyone, and in the words of one of my favorite songwriters, John S. Hall – “I'm not one of those guys who walks around pretending that my shit don't stink. My shit stinks. I admit it. And right now there is a lot of shit UP MY ASS.” I never was, I never will be...

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Re: The BEAT DOWN ROOM (BDR)
« Reply #1069 on: September 30, 2020, 01:34:45 AM »
Well, as long as we are giving our parting words....

I totally understand when things have to come to an end, so thanks to all that participated and kept this forum going over the years!  Having not participated in forum discussions in a long time, you dragged me out of shadows.  The only reason that I ever really got involved was due to the The Beat Down Room post, which was more of a curiosity than anything.  As someone who has had an online presence since before queensryche.com was even a thing, I enjoyed bringing some historical knowledge to the table, and I hope that you enjoyed reading about it.

As far as Brian goes, I remember him in his many disillusion forms/names throughout the years.  I remember before he ever started a website and forum.  I remember thinking was an okay guy, and then I remember him giving me a "WARNING" for a simple message that I sent to another member to contact me about something QR related.  The guy was never a journalist, he was never a lawyer, he was never anything except a shady fuckstain on the Queensryche name.  He was a guy that wanted SO BAD to be someone inside the QR circle.  The "super fan" that was a super asshole, and everyone saw that (except apparently the inner circle of jackoffs that he associated with).  Someone that wanted so bad to be a part of the band in some way, shape, or form.  The downside for him is that Brian is who he is, and he just couldn't help but be the bridge burning arsonist that he is.  A double standard hypocrite in every sense of the word.  The "do as I say, not as I do" little munchkin of a "man" that he is.  A small human that suffers from a small man/Napoleon complex.  He was a guy that asked a bunch of people scan magazine articles for him and he called himself a Queensryche "historian".  In the end he was just a child, and it sounds like he still is.

I remember a long time ago on one of my first posts saying something along the lines of him being friends with the Tate's, then he wasn't.  Then he was friends with Michael.  Then he wasn't.  He was friends with Scott, then he wasn't.  He was friends with the QR community.  Then he wasn't.  He was friends with Jason Slater.  Then he wasn't.  At some point in time you have to look at the common denominator.  It's just unfortunate that his ego won't let him do that.

Stay safe out there!  Except you Brian.  Go fuck yourself you small troll hypocrite little bastard.  Keep living in the past and thinking that your perspective on Queensryche is relevant.  By the way, The Warning's released track order is just fine the way it is.  Get over yourself.


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« Reply #1070 on: September 30, 2020, 07:13:42 AM »
Wow.  Apparently I've been gone too long and missed a bunch.  Sorry about that....life gets in the way sometimes,  doesn't it?  Great job to everyone who has contributed to the cause and thank you to the admins/mods here for all you've done.  Wishing everyone well in their future.

Jen

Ps...I hope everyone checks out Todd's solo album when it gets released.   I know he is super-excited for it.
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« Reply #1071 on: September 30, 2020, 03:58:51 PM »
Well, as long as we are giving our parting words....

I totally understand when things have to come to an end, so thanks to all that participated and kept this forum going over the years!  Having not participated in forum discussions in a long time, you dragged me out of the shadows. The only reason that I ever really got involved was due to the The Beat Down Room post, which was more of a curiosity than anything.  As someone who has had an online presence since before queensryche.com was even a thing, I enjoyed bringing some historical knowledge to the table, and I hope that you enjoyed reading about it.

As far as Brian goes, I remember him in his many disillusioned forms/names throughout the years.  I remember before he ever started a website and forum.  I remember thinking he was an okay guy, and then I remember him giving me a "WARNING" for a simple message that I sent to another member to contact me about something QR related.  The guy was never a journalist, he was never a lawyer, he was never anything except a shady fuckstain on the Queensryche name. 


He was a guy that wanted SO BAD to be someone inside the QR circle.  The "super fan" that was a super asshole, and everyone saw that (except apparently the inner circle of jackoffs that he associated with).


Someone that wanted so bad to be a part of the band in some way, shape, or form.  The downside for him is that Brian is who he is, and he just couldn't help but be the bridge burning arsonist that he is.  A double standard hypocrite in every sense of the word.  The "do as I say, not as I do" little munchkin of a "man" that he is.  A small human that suffers from a small man/Napoleon complex. 


He was a guy that asked a bunch of people to scan magazine articles for him and he called himself a Queensryche "historian".  In the end he was just a child, and it sounds like he still is.

I remember a long time ago on one of my first posts saying something along the lines of him being friends with the Tates, then he wasn't.  Then he was friends with Michael.  Then he wasn't.  He was friends with Scott, then he wasn't.  He was friends with the QR community.  Then he wasn't.  He was friends with Jason Slater.  Then he wasn't.  At some point in time you have to look at the common denominator.  It's just unfortunate that his ego won't let him do that.

Stay safe out there!  Except you Brian.  Go fuck yourself you small troll hypocrite little bastard.  Keep living in the past and thinking that your perspective on Queensryche is relevant.  By the way, The Warning's released track order is just fine the way it is.  Get over yourself.


Love,
Robert (justbob)




Good to hear from you again justbob. You'll always be known as having the best debut post on this thread, if not the entire site! I definitely enjoy reading your comments on here.


Perhaps I missed it previously, but did EOL really scan through your PM over a Queensryche chat you had with another member? Unreal!

WOW, the level of insecurity (and disrespect) he displayed toward the members during that time still astounds me to this day. It just reinforces that NJ had the right idea by creating this thread.


I'll say it again: with over 157,000 views as of now, I'm sorry--- that's not merely a dozen people on this site reading this. In a very weird way, its taken on a life of its own. Go figure.  ;)




















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« Reply #1072 on: December 22, 2020, 01:55:46 AM »
Apparently my reply to this post got deleted and/or lost......so allow me to summarize (and also save my post in case weird anomalies happen again):

In all honesty, my first post was so long that I had to delete a lot of it before it would actually post.  I took a lot of the wordiness out of it so that it would fit into the limitations of a post.  However, everything that I posted in that first post (and any other post for that matter) has been factual as I remember it to be.  In reality, I should have broken it up into multiple posts so that people could have commented on the various parts of it.  There's not a lot of us who have been around since the early days, so there was definitely room for further discussion on Brian's bullshit.

As far as the reading of private messages on Brian's forum goes, it absolutely happened.  After my initial post, I went back in some old email archives and Brian comes out and admits that he read private messages between forum members.  I have it right there in black and white in an old email message....and he doesn't skirt the issue or leave any doubt, he 100% read "private messages" on his message board.  So if anyone thinks that their private messages were actually "private" on the Breakdown Room forum, then they are kidding themselves.
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« Reply #1073 on: December 22, 2020, 03:52:23 PM »
Apparently my reply to this post got deleted and/or lost......so allow me to summarize (and also save my post in case weird anomalies happen again):

In all honesty, my first post was so long that I had to delete a lot of it before it would actually post.  I took a lot of the wordiness out of it so that it would fit into the limitations of a post.  However, everything that I posted in that first post (and any other post for that matter) has been factual as I remember it to be.  In reality, I should have broken it up into multiple posts so that people could have commented on the various parts of it.  There's not a lot of us who have been around since the early days, so there was definitely room for further discussion on Brian's bullshit.

As far as the reading of private messages on Brian's forum goes, it absolutely happened.  After my initial post, I went back in some old email archives and Brian comes out and admits that he read private messages between forum members. 


I have it right there in black and white in an old email message....and he doesn't skirt the issue or leave any doubt, he 100% read "private messages" on his message board.  So if anyone thinks that their private messages were actually "private" on the Breakdown Room forum, then they are kidding themselves.



Thanks for re-posting your comments justbob. Sorry about your post being deleted. A month ago, the site "crashed" for a couple of hours and while we (the host and I) were trying to fix some data issues over the phone, some recent posts were inadvertently deleted.


Good to see you on the site again!  8)








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« Reply #1074 on: December 22, 2020, 05:36:45 PM »
Apparently my reply to this post got deleted and/or lost......so allow me to summarize (and also save my post in case weird anomalies happen again):

In all honesty, my first post was so long that I had to delete a lot of it before it would actually post.  I took a lot of the wordiness out of it so that it would fit into the limitations of a post.  However, everything that I posted in that first post (and any other post for that matter) has been factual as I remember it to be.  In reality, I should have broken it up into multiple posts so that people could have commented on the various parts of it.  There's not a lot of us who have been around since the early days, so there was definitely room for further discussion on Brian's bullshit.

As far as the reading of private messages on Brian's forum goes, it absolutely happened.  After my initial post, I went back in some old email archives and Brian comes out and admits that he read private messages between forum members. 


I have it right there in black and white in an old email message....and he doesn't skirt the issue or leave any doubt, he 100% read "private messages" on his message board.  So if anyone thinks that their private messages were actually "private" on the Breakdown Room forum, then they are kidding themselves.



Thanks for re-posting your comments justbob. Sorry about your post being deleted. A month ago, the site "crashed" for a couple of hours and while we (the host and I) were trying to fix some data issues over the phone, some recent posts were inadvertently deleted.


Good to see you on the site again!  8)


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« Reply #1075 on: January 14, 2021, 01:07:59 PM »
Blackbird has been critical of so many people in the Queensryche camp over the years, it's safe to say that he likely thinks he could do as good of a job, if not better, than whoever's doing the job now. So let's see...

QRO site administrator
Facebook / Social Media manager
Tour manager
Promoter
Band Lawyer (probably begging the Tie for a mentorship every other week)
Copywriter
Street Team Leader
Official Band Historian, Getter of Hard-To-Get Things and Releaser of Never-Before-Released Things.

And I'm sure there's 156 more jobs he thinks he could take a serious crack at.

Gonna take a stab at another job I'm guessing Blackbird is hoping to get:

Writing new liner notes for the Empire 30th Anniversary boxset for 2020

Seriously, it checks off all the boxes. It's the original lineup and it's an anniversary. That's all Blackbird needs to get all hot and bothered about Queensryche stuff. Not to mention HIS WEBSITE'S NAME IS ANYBODY LISTENING, FER CRISSAKES. Add to the fact that he's cocksure the reunion will happen in 2020, holy shit my friend THIS is the gig he was BORN to get.

He's the liner notes writer we deserve, but not the liner notes writer we need. 8)

After reviewing the above post, let me just say CLEARLY I WAS NOT THINKING BIG ENOUGH. Here I thought Blackbird was spending all of 2019 trying to make peace with the members of Queensryche, doing his best Jack impression from L O S T ("We have to go back!!") so that he could cause a reunion and write the liner notes for Empire's 30th anniversary boxset. The reunion, sure. I mean who wouldn't want that. But he was not after mere liner notes, my friends. I mean maybe he was. Maybe he thought he could squeak that credit in there too. BUT NO MY FRIENDS. Blackbird was after a title which has eluded him for years, and now it looks like that will finally come to fruition:

BLACKBIRD, AUTHOR.
SAMSARA, AUTHOR.
AL.NET, AUTHOR.
END OF LINE, AUTHOR.
RUSTVOLD, AUTHOR.

Fuck, doesn't that feel good? Man, you can almost taste it! So put that in your CV and fucking smoke it, you chuckleheads! Todd can't question your journalist integrity when you're a fucking PUBLISHED AUTHOR, now can he?

And what does he get to author about? Well, his favourite band, of course! The one whose members all hate him. So it's perfect that it's an unauthorized biography, because Blackbird has never been good with authority, now has he? No sir, that dude spits in the face of authority like Tate spits in the face of his drummer. This means he can do things HIS way, say what HE wants to say, and not have to worry about kowtowing to ANYone.

Best part is, HE'S ALREADY WRITTEN THIS FUCKING BOOK. On the BDR, in private chats, on DTF, on his website. All the co-authors have to say is "hey pal, we need to fill this spot between 1996 and 1997. You got something?" and Blackbird will say HELL YES I'VE GOT SOMETHING. He'll sift thru his articles and have something in under 30 minutes or it's fucking free. All Blackbird has to do is shove his blog posts in between two softbacks and he's a bona fide AUTHOR.

LIFE IS SWEET. LET'S GET AN ICE CREAM.

It's really too bad though that Blackbird couldn't get the band back together in 2020 for that reunion tour. It would've happened too if it wasn't for that meddling covid. And it would've given the book a real nice narrative arc. Now it's just gonna peter out on a version of Queensryche that Blackbird busted his ass to help create that he doesn't even LIKE anymore. How unsatisfying is that. Plus, now Scott Rockenfield is still in the band or something? Fuck sakes, how is Blackbird supposed to craft an emotionally satisfying tome when there's still all this unanswered shit floating around? Maybe he can just end it on a hopeful note that one day the clouds will part and the original members will see the error of their ways and finally meet onstage for one last kick at the can. And it will be glorious.

AS THE TRI-RYCHE TURNS.  ::)
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« Reply #1076 on: June 01, 2021, 02:17:41 PM »
Not sure if this is a dead thread by this point, but I wanted to chime in with my story. Apologies in advance about the formatting, as I'm writing this on my mobile! Also, I was really surprised to discover this account was even still active, considering I sent a message to RTM about quitting the forum in December 2014 and didn't think I'd ever come back!

I was someone who joined BDR while the lawsuit was happening between both versions of Queensryche (man, it feels SO weird to remember those times now...). I don't recall if I ever got involved in the name calling directed towards Tate and the like (I don't believe I did, since I always found it disrespectful to start doing that, but I was also 19 when the lawsuit started and VERY impressionable at the time, so I may have said stuff that I've genuinely forgotten all about now), but I do remember that I didn't like Blackbird. I don't think I ever actually got into any arguments with him, but something about him struck me as if he was...not a very respectful person, I guess is the best way I can put it? I know, hardly the hot take of the century, but something about the way he handled himself on the forums just felt very combative and determined to insist he was right while dismissing anything which even hinted at him being wrong, which I didn't like at all.

I remember that TOR closed around the time I was starting to make steps towards trying to do music reviewing on something resembling a serious basis (having been solely someone who wrote for a blog prior to that) and, in the end, I ultimately opted to leave RTM to focus on trying to be as independent a viewpoint as I could with my stuff. With the benefit of hindsight, I dodged a bullet by leaving when I did, considering the shitstorm that I now know happened in 2015! I do vaguely recall getting an email about BDR reopening and found it really weird, but that was honestly the last I even thought on everything related to the forum until I found this forum again and started reading this thread a few nights back!

Six and a half years after I left (and about four and a half years since I quit doing music reviews: long story short, I had a severe burn out because I basically ended up having to fill up the review schedules of three people while also running the site due to nobody else wanting to chip in to help me with anything and never turning stuff in), I honestly look back on my time with BDR, TOR and original management RTM as an embarrassment. It is honestly part of the reason why I stay off of forums in general nowadays, as I look back and see so many things that just are the antithesis of what I think a good forum should do: be open to alternative viewpoints, have rules apply equally to everyone, be respectful to others and not turn into dog piling for the sake of making yourself feel superior. After all of that (and just generally falling into a state of "can't be arsed with this type of shite" when it comes to forums), I just don't want to be part of anything like that ever again and, honestly, considering I'm now in a band myself (not a signed one, but we've got an album out and we're aiming to finish recording an EP soon), I just see those times as exactly the thing that makes me happy to not be part of a major band. Because the idea of someone like Blackbird being determined to do everything they can to end my career to a frankly obsessed extent just because they have a beef with me over something that may not even be my fault is just...well, it's fucked up, to be blunt.

Honestly, while I don't have actual band opinions to back this up, I would not be surprised if Blackbird is EXACTLY the type of fan that most bands actually hate: they have the passion, but they forget that the band is not theirs to control, that the members are regular people with their own lives that don't necessarily need to be a big deal to anyone else and that there can be multiple reasons why a band has to make a decision (not all of which are down to disagreeing with the fans or poor decision making: I know my band would really struggle if fans insisted we do a tour because we literally have two members who are parents and several members who barely earn enough money to pay their bills as it is, making us booking a proper tour an impractical idea even if we knew that we had a fanbase big enough for us to sell out every date we booked and Covid wasn't a factor...which sucks, because we genuinely DO want to tour, but them's the breaks!). As much as Blackbird seems deluded to believe that he knows the best way for Queensryche to become a big band again (which...isn't going to happen: that ship has realistically sailed already, for reasons that have little-to-nothing to do with the band themselves, but with how the music industry has changed since the 2000s, let alone Queensryche's commercial heyday in the 90s and 80s), I'm willing to bet that the band has very good reasons why they're taken the route they have which he is not privy to. Nor does he have any right to be privy to those reasons if the band don't want to tell him about them, because he's not involved with the band's decision making anyway and, well...let's be honest, if you had a co-worker/employee like Blackbird, would YOU want to tell them about private stuff and get their advice if they acted like he has done towards the band to you? Not fucking likely!

I'm not sure yet if I'm going to stay here now that I've logged in again. I want to say no, considering how quiet it is now and that I honestly just wanted to get my take on things down for the sake of prosperity (as boring as I suspect that my take is), but I did read one of NJF's posts from when he was admin about having to come up with topics to keep traffic going and, well...I know I have a bunch of stuff by local metal bands in my area that people might find cool to check out, some old bands from my reviewing time which I still have a soft spot for who may be fun to share with people and some decidedly non-rock interests that could be a good springboard for unexpected topics for people who are still here, so I might stick around to share them, as long as people don't mind me potentially starting up a thread on, say, some Latin acid-jazz band* barely known outside of Latin America that most people here probably won't care about in the slightest, haha!

*No, I did not make that up: if you're curious, the band I'm talking about here is Argentina's Los Amigos Invisibles!

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« Reply #1077 on: June 01, 2021, 03:46:58 PM »
Not sure if this is a dead thread by this point, but I wanted to chime in with my story. Apologies in advance about the formatting, as I'm writing this on my mobile! Also, I was really surprised to discover this account was even still active, considering I sent a message to RTM about quitting the forum in December 2014 and didn't think I'd ever come back!

I was someone who joined BDR while the lawsuit was happening between both versions of Queensryche (man, it feels SO weird to remember those times now...). I don't recall if I ever got involved in the name calling directed towards Tate and the like (I don't believe I did, since I always found it disrespectful to start doing that, but I was also 19 when the lawsuit started and VERY impressionable at the time, so I may have said stuff that I've genuinely forgotten all about now), but I do remember that I didn't like Blackbird. I don't think I ever actually got into any arguments with him, but something about him struck me as if he was...not a very respectful person, I guess is the best way I can put it? I know, hardly the hot take of the century, but something about the way he handled himself on the forums just felt very combative and determined to insist he was right while dismissing anything which even hinted at him being wrong, which I didn't like at all.

I remember that TOR closed around the time I was starting to make steps towards trying to do music reviewing on something resembling a serious basis (having been solely someone who wrote for a blog prior to that) and, in the end, I ultimately opted to leave RTM to focus on trying to be as independent a viewpoint as I could with my stuff. With the benefit of hindsight, I dodged a bullet by leaving when I did, considering the shitstorm that I now know happened in 2015! I do vaguely recall getting an email about BDR reopening and found it really weird, but that was honestly the last I even thought on everything related to the forum until I found this forum again and started reading this thread a few nights back!

Six and a half years after I left (and about four and a half years since I quit doing music reviews: long story short, I had a severe burn out because I basically ended up having to fill up the review schedules of three people while also running the site due to nobody else wanting to chip in to help me with anything and never turning stuff in), I honestly look back on my time with BDR, TOR and original management RTM as an embarrassment. It is honestly part of the reason why I stay off of forums in general nowadays, as I look back and see so many things that just are the antithesis of what I think a good forum should do: be open to alternative viewpoints, have rules apply equally to everyone, be respectful to others and not turn into dog piling for the sake of making yourself feel superior. After all of that (and just generally falling into a state of "can't be arsed with this type of shite" when it comes to forums), I just don't want to be part of anything like that ever again and, honestly, considering I'm now in a band myself (not a signed one, but we've got an album out and we're aiming to finish recording an EP soon), I just see those times as exactly the thing that makes me happy to not be part of a major band. Because the idea of someone like Blackbird being determined to do everything they can to end my career to a frankly obsessed extent just because they have a beef with me over something that may not even be my fault is just...well, it's fucked up, to be blunt.

Honestly, while I don't have actual band opinions to back this up, I would not be surprised if Blackbird is EXACTLY the type of fan that most bands actually hate: they have the passion, but they forget that the band is not theirs to control, that the members are regular people with their own lives that don't necessarily need to be a big deal to anyone else and that there can be multiple reasons why a band has to make a decision (not all of which are down to disagreeing with the fans or poor decision making: I know my band would really struggle if fans insisted we do a tour because we literally have two members who are parents and several members who barely earn enough money to pay their bills as it is, making us booking a proper tour an impractical idea even if we knew that we had a fanbase big enough for us to sell out every date we booked and Covid wasn't a factor...which sucks, because we genuinely DO want to tour, but them's the breaks!). As much as Blackbird seems deluded to believe that he knows the best way for Queensryche to become a big band again (which...isn't going to happen: that ship has realistically sailed already, for reasons that have little-to-nothing to do with the band themselves, but with how the music industry has changed since the 2000s, let alone Queensryche's commercial heyday in the 90s and 80s), I'm willing to bet that the band has very good reasons why they're taken the route they have which he is not privy to. Nor does he have any right to be privy to those reasons if the band don't want to tell him about them, because he's not involved with the band's decision making anyway and, well...let's be honest, if you had a co-worker/employee like Blackbird, would YOU want to tell them about private stuff and get their advice if they acted like he has done towards the band to you? Not fucking likely!

I'm not sure yet if I'm going to stay here now that I've logged in again. I want to say no, considering how quiet it is now and that I honestly just wanted to get my take on things down for the sake of prosperity (as boring as I suspect that my take is), but I did read one of NJF's posts from when he was admin about having to come up with topics to keep traffic going and, well...I know I have a bunch of stuff by local metal bands in my area that people might find cool to check out, some old bands from my reviewing time which I still have a soft spot for who may be fun to share with people and some decidedly non-rock interests that could be a good springboard for unexpected topics for people who are still here, so I might stick around to share them, as long as people don't mind me potentially starting up a thread on, say, some Latin acid-jazz band* barely known outside of Latin America that most people here probably won't care about in the slightest, haha!

*No, I did not make that up: if you're curious, the band I'm talking about here is Argentina's Los Amigos Invisibles!



Thanks for posting again Nemo. Welcome back!  8)


I enjoyed reading your post, and please feel free to create new threads and share the music you love. There's plenty of room for it here. I hope this will revitalize your enthusiasm again for RTM.


For the record, it's not hard to understand why you lost interest given the way End Of Line conducted himself for years. Or put another way, he was (and continues to be) his own worst enemy. That former site's justified demise was inevitable in my view.  C:-)


Again, good to have you back. Respect.  8)


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Re: The BEAT DOWN ROOM (BDR)
« Reply #1078 on: June 02, 2021, 03:15:58 AM »

Thanks for posting again Nemo. Welcome back!  8)


I enjoyed reading your post, and please feel free to create new threads and share the music you love. There's plenty of room for it here. I hope this will revitalize your enthusiasm again for RTM.


For the record, it's not hard to understand why you lost interest given the way End Of Line conducted himself for years. Or put another way, he was (and continues to be) his own worst enemy. That former site's justified demise was inevitable in my view.  C:-)


Again, good to have you back. Respect.  8)


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Glad that you enjoyed reading, because I honestly wondering if I was coming across as ranting a bit when I read it back and very nearly opted not to post it, haha!

Yeah, this thread definitely made me wonder how Blackbird even managed to keep BDR running long enough to even see the split between Tate and the rest of Queensryche. I know I'm asking that with the benefit of hindsight, since I was listening to folk and pop and had not even heard of metal as a genre when BDR opened, but I'm honestly surprised that Blackbird hadn't become a pariah among the Queensryche fandom due to his conduct before the forum opened and that said reputation didn't make the forum radioactive. Ah well, at least that's all in the rearview mirror now!

And yeah, I've decided I'll stick around for a bit after sleeping on it. If nothing else, it'll be fun to see what folks make of some of the stuff I like, as I'm aware that my interest in world music and genre fusion stuff means I'm probably going to know about artists that are going to catch people by surprise...whether that is a good thing or not is the other question, haha!

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« Reply #1079 on: August 27, 2021, 11:32:07 AM »
I was listening to a recent episode of the CMS where the guys rip apart this Steel Panther uber-fan and I couldn't help but hear the similarities between how this poor schmuck obsesses over Steel Panther and how Blackbird obsesses over Queensryche. And how most level-headed people would react to someone like that.

The link is here, or play the episode "The Real Insider Information on Steel Panther's Dismissal of Lexxi Foxx" wherever you listen to shit.

https://player.fm/series/the-cms-podcast-network/cms-the-real-insider-information-on-steel-panthers-dismissal-of-lexxi-foxx
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