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Thoughts on Touring & Upcoming Tour Wishes/Speculation
« on: October 01, 2014, 09:40:40 PM »
Queensryche has toured their ass off over the past 10 years, booking multiple dates in cities and coming back through again on a different leg a year later.  One of the discussions at the BDR was that the band over saturated themselves by touring.

Since Geoff was dismissed from the band, they have largely been absent in the US, playing fly-in dates at festivals, state fairs, and one-off gigs here and there.  Geoff's version of the band likely screwed things up for them in certain areas, but I don't think it had the ability to prevent a real tour hitting other areas.

They've now had 2+ years away from the hard touring, and with the band's new mission statement of "we're a metal band again," I really think they need to hit the road hard.   This isn't the same old Queensryche coming through town, playing the same songs that they played the last time they came through.  They have a new singer, they're playing old songs, and they have a new album that they could draw heavily from since the songs are so short.

Yes, they're currently writing a new record, and hopefully the album cycle picks up from there.  But I really think they missed an opportunity to put together a nice tour or two, featuring other metal bands, which really would have put themselves in front of fans that need to see them to believe that they're back.
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Re: Thoughts on Touring
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2014, 12:55:45 AM »
 I suppose I don't mind them doing select gigs although I'd prefer to see 'An Evening With Queensryche' ( no opening act ), especially if they're not able to find better bands to tour with. It's great that they're working on the new album AND still finding time to play the occasional show, something many bands would NEVER do these days. Interesting comments 'Grappler' (  8) ).

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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2014, 01:40:14 AM »
Totally agree Grappler, They toured they're asses off alright the last 10 years and I got to see a shit load of shows, cause they'd come through multiple times, Loved it. But yeah I think they missed they're first impression opportunity big time with no full or larger tour behind the S/T album, but I do think Tate's oversaturation did handcuff them somewhat. I'm fine with no opening act, or one short one. I'd like to see them get back to longer set lists/shows and make they're own way though and not rely on touring with the newer bands.
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Re: Thoughts on Touring
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2014, 09:42:48 AM »
They definitely missed an opportunity to 1) not tour behind S/T and 2) not doing a tour with some other bands.  I never understood why they didn''t even do a small tour behind S/T.

I hope they do a real tour behind the next album. I'd prefer no opening act. Unless it's a band I enjoy, lol. I'm fickle that way. :)

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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2014, 11:18:40 AM »
you and me both Kacesq, I could more often than not care less about the opening bands, It usually just makes me take my time getting to the show or have a few more beverages in the parking lot  ;D on rare occasion if its a twin headline or there is actually a band I like opening, of course that's different lol. and its even rarer for me to go see a show just for the headliner, unless its Queensryche, cause the set list gets trimmed too much. 
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2014, 12:53:45 PM »
When I look at how the guys have been touring up until this point, it makes me think they have been incapable of getting gigs. I don't see any reason that they didn't do a full on balls to the walls world tour after the ST release. They had a kick ass live show, were all over the media, were trying to prove they deserved the name, they just put out a great album, and I have to believe money was flowing out much quicker than it was coming in. These factors combined would make a world tour hitting all the major markets a no-brainer, but why didn't it happen?

I have trouble believing it was a strategical move for the brand, I honestly don't think they could get the gigs. QR hasn't been the draw they were even 5 years ago, let alone 10. Promoters were starting to lose interest in the band before the split; fast forward a year and your trying to sell a show to the same promoters but this time without your original singer, not easy. To make matters worse, the original lead singer put together a band touring under the same name but selling the show for 1/2 the price. I believe the band tried to hit the road hard, but the road blocks prevented it from happening.

That being said, I wouldn't have done anything differently in their shoes. Lowering the guarantee is a risky gamble, and there is no promise that they can get it back up once word gets out. I don't think they could have gotten on a package tour with the controversy surrounding them. Playing the occasional gig for huge audiences and playing the big money fly out shoes at casinos isn't ideal, but it may have been necessary.

I'm pretty sure we are finally going to get the mega world tour in  2015. They will have no competition from Geoff and will have another great album getting buzz. Really, I don't see any option but to a proper world tour at any cost or they will risk falling into 80s obscurity
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2014, 04:27:53 PM »
Agreed RTM, especially with paragraph two. They toured RELENTLESSLY from like 2003- 2009, which makes up a LARGE portion of my 25 shows I've seen, Every time I turned around they were back hitting my market with multiple area dates, and I missed some at that. So by the time you get to 2010 between all that prior heavy hitting, coupled with the dwindling popularity, the caberet shit, and the Turd that was DTC. I think you might be right, promoters we're probably like wow, Queensryche wants to play again, the demand just isn't there, what'd that last record do? hmmm we can get the lead singers version for half that and 3 cases of wine and a carton of smokes. So yeah I'm willing to bet getting back in the door took some time and was a tough sell. I could certainly see that.   
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2014, 06:11:54 PM »
IMO, it lies solely on their lack of a good booking agent. If they had an agent with strong national connections, they wouldn't have problems booking shows. As it was, their agent didn't have the connections to get them into areas instead of Tate, which is a shame. Bigg Time needed to go months ago.

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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 09:30:56 AM »
I have trouble believing it was a strategical move for the brand, I honestly don't think they could get the gigs. QR hasn't been the draw they were even 5 years ago, let alone 10. Promoters were starting to lose interest in the band before the split; fast forward a year and your trying to sell a show to the same promoters but this time without your original singer, not easy. To make matters worse, the original lead singer put together a band touring under the same name but selling the show for 1/2 the price. I believe the band tried to hit the road hard, but the road blocks prevented it from happening.

This is a very interesting viewpoint.  My automatic assumption is that the band had a great buzz about them and could have gotten gigs.  The reality is that your assessment could very likely be true. 

I know that the promoter of the 2013 McHenry, IL show looked at both Queensryche's.  This was for a neighborhood summer festival that hosts concerts in a local park in that town.  Geoff's version obviously cost less money, but after researching both bands, he booked the real QR on the fact that they were the real deal.  Luckily, the promoter seems to be a hard rock/metal fan and understood the difference between Geoff's band and QR.  Not all promoters may have been willing to take that chance.  As much as we enjoy the current lineup, Geoff has a huge legacy and "QR Without Geoff Tate" does have an impact on many fans and promoters based on nostalgia value.

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Re: Thoughts on Touring
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 12:27:54 PM »
Absolutely Grappler, I have many friends who are into all different types of music and ALOT of them have no idea what else Queensryche did other than Silent Lucidity and Jet City Woman, My fiancé who is close to my age and was in HS in the mid 80's is among them. Many others when I say Queensryche is my favorite band are like who? Who the hell are they?? and they have no clue, if I play silent Lucidity they'll be like oh I think I've heard that before, I thought that was Pink Floyd or somebody, hmmm what else did they sing, kinda thing. So yeah nostalgia wise to the general music public, believe me Tate holds a major impact on marketability. atleast for now, and who knows that may not change. That's why it was imperative for the band to get his version named Geoff Tate's Queensryche off the streets or they never woulda been able to rebound IMO.   
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Re: Thoughts on Touring
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 09:54:08 PM »
I do agree that the way QR has done things so far has probably been for the best. They have said they will be doing a huge tour next year after the new album comes out so that will be great. However, I don't think they should do "an evening with" type thing and do a longer show. They put a LOT of energy into their performance and Todd's vocals require quite a bit as well and if they did a longer show, that could damage them physically. Yes, Rush does it, but they don't put nearly as much energy into their performance as QR. Same with Iron Maiden who has never done more than 2 hours. Maybe QR could add 15 or 20 minutes, but it probably wouldn't be wise to go any longer than that.
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Re: Thoughts on Touring
« Reply #11 on: October 05, 2014, 12:08:25 PM »
If they do decide to go with an evening with format, the setlist needs a few more songs. I'm not sure that's a good idea with the intensity of the se they have going right now, although adding a few more mellow songs would be an option.

I think a package tour would be perfect for the ryche right now. Either getting on with a big band to get their show and name back out to the old fans, or bringing out younger bands to go after newer fans. There is also the option of doing both and changing the set list accordingly.

Unfortunately I think we are going to get what we have been getting, a QR headlining large club/small theater tour, with local buy on bands opening up the show.

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« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2014, 08:32:41 AM »
I'd like to see a solid 90 minute show, drawing from the entire (well, most of) their catalog. I spent some time in the mid-career stuff (PL-Q2k) and there is amazing stuff that doesn't get played that I think Todd could breathe life into.

And yeah, like Lucretia has said - BiggTime has to go - No Boston shows at all, ever? C'mon.

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« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2014, 04:14:41 PM »
IMO, it lies solely on their lack of a good booking agent. If they had an agent with strong national connections, they wouldn't have problems booking shows. As it was, their agent didn't have the connections to get them into areas instead of Tate, which is a shame. Bigg Time needed to go months ago.
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Build the next Queensryche Setlist
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2014, 11:06:06 PM »
Building on the ideas of a few recent threads, what would be your ideal setlist for the next world tour which is supposedly being booked?

   NIGHT A                                     |                   NIGHT B

1. Best I Can                                                  1. Screaming in Digital
2. I am I                                                         2. Desert Dance
3. Damaged                                                   3. Damaged
4. Roads to Madness                                     4. Roads To Madness
5. The Lady Wore Black                                 5. Rhythm of Hope

6. Thin Line                                                    6. Queen of the Reich
6a. Double Drum Solo                                    7. Spool
7. Op:Mindcrime                                            7a. Drum Solo
8. Sister Mary                                                8. In This Light
9. Eyes of A Stranger                                    9. Don't Look Back
                                                                     10. Right Side Of My Mind
10. Spore
11. Vindication                                             11. New Song
12. New Track                                              12. New Song
13. New Track                                              13. No Sanctuary 
                                                                    14.  Take Hold of the Flame
14. Queen of the Reich                                   
15. Take Hold of the Flame                          15. Revolution Calling
16. Someone Else?                                      16. The Mission
                                                                    17. Eyes of A Stranger


Obviously there is a lot that can be rotated in and out, but my general idea would be 2 setlists to rotate with a decent variety in the songs. Some of them are still there from the RTH tour, but I think that's fine as long as it's not almost the entire set.

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