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Queensryche's Set List Dilemma 2018
« on: January 19, 2018, 06:31:01 PM »
Following up on what I posted in the 2017 show reviews and tour discussion thread. Something really has to give this year in terms of the set list the band plays.

Todd is entering his sixth year with the band this year and the first five years have been spent playing mostly a limited variation of the back catalog (the classic material) and very seldom and sporadic performances of the new material from the self titled album and condition human (both of which were excellent). With two records of very strong material behind them, the band is about to record a third one. If the new record is even as good as somewhere between the self titled and condition human the band needs to finally start playing the current lineups material.

The band is about to make a third studio album with this lineup, a third studio album is something that Blaze Bayley did not do with Iron Maiden (he did two), Ripper did not do with Priest (he did two). Both those bands went out on limbs and took major chances and risks performing lots of new material. Those two bands were much bigger commercially then Queensryche. Both those bands were reduced to playing smaller venues at that time span and heard their fair share of criticism because of the singer changes and the new material, yet they had the fucking balls to play them. Queensryche needs to do the same in 2018.

The same basic framework of a set list has got to be getting old and stale after five years. I'm going to post some set lists below of Priest with Ripper, and Maiden with Blaze, and for good measure a few of Crue with Corabi. Take a look see.

Priest (they played things a little safer went out on a lesser limb)
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/judas-priest/1998/colosseum-munich-germany-63da7e9b.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/judas-priest/1998/930-club-washington-dc-43d25763.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/judas-priest/2001/nakano-sun-plaza-tokyo-japan-1bd4e114.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/judas-priest/2001/birmingham-academy-birmingham-england-bd705b2.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/judas-priest/2002/ogden-theatre-denver-co-13d125dd.html

Maiden
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/1995/e-werk-cologne-germany-6bd39ece.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/1995/manchester-apollo-manchester-england-7bd24af0.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/1996/the-palace-hollywood-ca-bd39942.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/1998/sheffield-city-hall-sheffield-england-43d39fdb.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/iron-maiden/1998/roseland-ballroom-new-york-ny-1bd3a54c.html

Crue
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/motley-crue/1994/nippon-budokan-tokyo-japan-7bdb72e8.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/motley-crue/1994/the-warfield-san-francisco-ca-43c6df33.html
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/motley-crue/1994/the-mirage-minneapolis-mn-6bdb720e.html

It's bad enough they mostly neglected the first two really good comeback albums with Todd, are they going to dare and try it with the third? How many times can you go see a set list that looks the fucking same? Here are some random dates of each year and I even added a few better ones.
2017  https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2017/emerald-theatre-mount-clemens-mi-73e0a67d.html
2017 https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2017/turning-stone-showroom-verona-ny-23f8f0b3.html
2016 https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2016/rex-theater-pittsburgh-pa-53fbf3ad.html
2015 https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2015/house-of-blues-san-diego-ca-1bf43138.html
2014 https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2014/empire-city-casino-at-yonkers-raceway-yonkers-ny-4bc11bca.html
2013 https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/queensryche/2013/o2-academy-islington-london-england-13c72145.html
2012 As Rising West https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/rising-west/2012/hard-rock-cafe-seattle-wa-13dfc97d.html

Imagine if they embraced the new stuff and pushed it out there or simply stayed with the name Rising West we might be seeing a set list that goes something like this.

Guardian
Where dreams go to die
Open road
Hellfire
Empire
Roads to madness
Eye 9
Redemption
Spore
Bulletproof
Jet City Woman
Walk in the shadows
Damaged
Take hold of the flame
Spreading the disease
Roads to madness
Eyes of a stranger
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Re: Queensryche's Set List Dilemma 2018
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2018, 02:13:50 AM »
I agree about wanting to see a mix in the setlist, and to see more of the newer material being played (PS:  I have thought this for a long time and not just because Blackturd Blackbird told us all what to think!).  I can say that it was a pleasant surprise to hear Geoff break out some very uncommon songs in his solo acoustic show this past year.

Along that same vein, I really wish that they would hit latter half of their catalog (Promised Land through Condition Human.....minus DTC) during their shows.  There's a lot of fans that would say the EP through Promised Land is when the band was in their creative prime, but that doesn't mean that all the other releases don't have some really great songs on them!  I know that it's been talked to death and I don't really want to rehash the "play it safe for the old school casual fans" vs. "there are old school fans that love the entire catalog of songs" argument, but a LOT of good material from the 1994-2009 and 2013-2015 time frame is being ignored.  Maybe QR is seeing the EP-PL era as a time when the "band" was writing music, and Q2K-DTC is when the Tateryche era formed and the band input became less and less.  Almost like that era is being shunned due to that fact.

But who knows, maybe that's how it is with other bands too.  Kind of like how current Van Halen only playing the DLR-era songs and ignoring anything else.  Alice in Chains tends to not play as much stuff from the William Duvall era.  Roger Waters never plays any Pink Floyd stuff past The Final Cut........oooooooohhhhh, wait.....nevermind on that one.

When you're continuing to put out new material, you have a huge catalog of material to choose from, and are playing 60-90 minute shows (depending on the tour/venue/festival), something is going to have to give.  And unless the band extends to a 2hr show, or goes full-Pearl Jam and does 3.5hr shows, I don't know that things will change.

It might sound like I am bitching, but I'm just saying that I wish that the shows would be a little different.  I'll still continue to support the band, because at the end of the day I am still enjoying the music and the shows!
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2018, 02:16:51 AM »
Guardian
Where dreams go to die
Open road
Hellfire
Empire
Roads to madness
Eye 9
Redemption
Spore
Bulletproof
Jet City Woman
Walk in the shadows
Damaged
Take hold of the flame
Spreading the disease
Roads to madness
Eyes of a stranger

I like how you have Roads To Madness in there twice.  I'd watch that any night of the week, and twice on Sunday....or Tuesday....Thursday....Friday.....whenever! in a night for sure!
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2018, 02:46:41 PM »
Well, I will say I would kill to see that set list or some similar variation, I would maybe switch out a couple of those and add a couple different ones but that is a pretty good one. I have pretty much defended the set list, albeit wanting to hear more new songs. I was very satisfied when I started seeing four new songs popping up in the set list there for a little while, a while back. I think they did three or four when I saw them in Baltimore last year.

I had to go back and check but yes they did only play one song (Guardian) at my Atlantic City show I saw, I guess it wasn't a big deal to me cause the set list got crunched a few songs cause they had Skid Row with them as kind of a dual headliner. But yeah I don't like seeing them going back to just one new song in the set.

I was ok with it there for a while, but now going into the third record and having done that for five years I'm ready for a change up. I'd like to see maybe three different classic era songs added in and dump a few of the over played ones like another Promised Land song, Anybody Listening, Child of Fire. My preference would be a minimum of four Todd era songs in the set and that is at present. Now they're going to have another album coming out. So in a perfect world I would say two from that one also, which would make six. I don't think that is going to happen.

I wish they would do a few test shows, maybe roll out a seven new song and seven old song set and then two encores (2 more old songs) and see how it goes. If it goes ok stick with it. Maybe even do an advertised couple dates of all new material and see what the reception is. How do you know if you don't try? I also still want a live cd/dvd package but I want new stuff on it, maybe a discs worth of old songs and a disc's worth of Todd era material.

I'm just happy the band is
a) still around and making much better music than 1997-2012
b) re-energized live
c) doing the songs justice how they should be done

I really want them to play a good representation of the new material but I'll continue to go see them.     
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2018, 02:54:28 PM »
Another consideration, don't think for a minute that I'm chasing Scott out, but if he does in fact decide not to return. That would leave Michael and Eddie, and then the newer blood Todd and Parker, and a new drummer who would probably have minimal say. But that might change the dynamics and have Todd and Parker being a little more emphatic about wanting to play more of the new stuff and I think that might be appealing to Michael. So as long as Eddie was cool with it. Maybe that would lead to more new material being played. We will get all the answers to these questions in due time.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 11:54:30 AM »
With Scott out, I'd think it'd make the guys need to focus even MORE on playing the old tunes, to convince the audience that even though there's only two original members of the band left, they still play the Queensryche tunes you know and love.

I kinda have to agree that with the new album out this year, the guys need to put more new songs in the setlist. I don't think 3-4 Todd-era songs is too much to ask. Hell, you've got other 80s "one hit wonder" bands playing more new stuff than Queensryche is these days. I'm not gonna dare compare them to Iron Maiden because Maiden can literally do whatever they want. They could perform the entire Skunkworks record and it would sell out within minutes.

As for how to construct the setlist, by opening with Guardian, they get one new song outta the way immediately, and then the other 2-3 they just sprinkle throughout the set, to give hardcores some love and to give casuals a beer and piss break. Everybody fucking wins.

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2018, 02:05:27 PM »
Guardian
Where dreams go to die
Open road
Hellfire
Empire
Roads to madness
Eye 9
Redemption
Spore
Bulletproof
Jet City Woman
Walk in the shadows
Damaged
Take hold of the flame
Spreading the disease
Roads to madness
Eyes of a stranger

I like how you have Roads To Madness in there twice.  I'd watch that any night of the week, and twice on Sunday....or Tuesday....Thursday....Friday.....whenever! in a night for sure!

As much as I love that song. Yes that was a mistake  ;D
I'll add the Promised Land title track in it's place replacing one of those.

I really don't see the band covering anything past Promised Land with Todd.

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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 02:10:59 PM »
With Scott out, I'd think it'd make the guys need to focus even MORE on playing the old tunes, to convince the audience that even though there's only two original members of the band left, they still play the Queensryche tunes you know and love.

I kinda have to agree that with the new album out this year, the guys need to put more new songs in the setlist. I don't think 3-4 Todd-era songs is too much to ask. Hell, you've got other 80s "one hit wonder" bands playing more new stuff than Queensryche is these days. I'm not gonna dare compare them to Iron Maiden because Maiden can literally do whatever they want. They could perform the entire Skunkworks record and it would sell out within minutes.

As for how to construct the setlist, by opening with Guardian, they get one new song outta the way immediately, and then the other 2-3 they just sprinkle throughout the set, to give hardcores some love and to give casuals a beer and piss break. Everybody fucking wins.


 Three or preferably four current lineup songs is not too much to ask and should be a no brainer I think. In fact I'll say five because they should play two from the forthcoming album later this year as well. I'm even tempted to say six if they play a 16 song set. Six new and ten old wouldn't kill anybody either and they can rotate songs in and out of the set to make up which ten old songs that they play and that would keep the set fresh and variable. we'll see if they do it though. If they keep trudging out the same older songs and only one or two new ones sooner or later it's gonna bite them in the ass.

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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2018, 05:53:21 PM »
The guys definitely need to add more new material this time out. That said, I agree with Rock that with Scott out, they might play even LESS material from the current lineup.

At this point, I think they could get away with 8 songs from the La Torre era and 8 from the original lineup--- then rotate them. That takes more REHEARSAL, something they apparently don't want to do. Wrongly, I might add. :(

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« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2018, 03:06:01 AM »
Nah, I disagree with both of you OQ, I don't think that "if" Scott is out that they would need to or even feel the need to concentrate on certain things ( the hits) less new music. Christ it can't possibly get any fewer than what new stuff they're playing now. I think one more less "play it safe guy" in the band gives Todd and Parker a little more voice to say yo guys we need to be pumping up our new material more in the live shows, just my thinking. Agree on the 8 new 8 old set, but I think that is very wishful thinking, unfortunately, and certainly the song rotation would be great.

Yeah I mean how hard is it to get together for a week somewhere and rehearse they mostly do friggin fly in dates. They have the time. they can't spend a week to ensure they have a somewhat fluid and fresh set list for the next five years, that is pretty lame.     
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2018, 09:24:11 PM »
Here is a setlist from Accept, currently touring on their latest album, their fourth with Mark Tornillo on vocals:
($=song from new album; #= song from album with Tornillo on Vox)

$ Die by the Sword
# Stalingrad
Restless and Wild
London Leather
Breaker
$ The Rise of Chaos
$ Koolaid
$ No Regrets
$ Analog Man
# Final Journey
# Shadow Soldiers
Guitar Solo
(Wolf Hoffmann)
Neon Nights
Princess of the Dawn
Midnight Mover
Up to the Limit
Objection Overruled
# Pandemic
Fast as a Shark

Encore:
Metal Heart
# Teutonic Terror
Balls to the Wall

21 song set (plus a guitar solo), 10 songs from albums with current lead singer, 5 of which are from current release. 

All the press for the last two QR discs were on how it was fun to record and get new material out there.  Put your money where your mouth is boys.  Other bands can do it, you can too.  Drop a few songs from the setlist (Silent Lucidity and Jet City Woman could leave for awhile or forever...).  Add 20 minutes to your headline show setlists, get it up to 1:45-1:50.  Make a deal with one of the casino's to use their main room for a few days prior to a Friday night show to woodshed.  7 songs from Todd albums (3 from new one, 2 each from previous two).  If you are so proud of the new material show us.  Maybe a song from something between 97 and 2002ish.  Work up one of the covers from Take Cover (I vote for Heaven On Their Minds). 

Will be interesting to see what changes when Casey officially becomes the new drummer (yeah it's going to happen, just how I read the tea leaves, no inside info...).  Maybe the short sets on headline gigs was because of Scott.  Dont know.  Not blaming, just be curious to see what happens. 

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2018, 03:18:58 PM »
I get that the band is in a tough spot, especially when the sets are so short, either due to curfew restrictions or simply because they don’t want to play longer sets, whatever, don’t care why at this point.

Here’s their setlist from their last 2017 show, which is slightly different from what they were playing the month before, but gives you a good idea of what they’ve been playing. Because the set is so short, they kinda have to be a bit ruthless if they hope to include any new tunes. Here’s what I’d drop in order to make way for 4-5 new tunes.

1. Guardian – keep it. It’s a good opener plus it’s a new song.
2. Damaged – the only song from Promised Land. Keep it. Or not, who cares.
3. Best I Can – scrap it. Let Tate have this one.
4. The Mission – keep it.
5. The Whisper – keep it?
6. Silent Lucidity – keep it. You think they could play a casino and NOT play this song? Get the fuck outta here.
7. Breaking the Silence and 8. I Don’t Believe in Love – the two poppier tunes from Mindcrime Side 2. Pick one, scrap the other.
9. The Lady Wore Black and 10. QOTR – keep one and scrap the other. Only room in this set for one song from the EP.
11. Empire – keep it, why not.
12. Jet City Woman – keep it. Probably their second biggest tune.
13. Take Hold of the Flame – only tune from the Warning? Sure, keep it.
(Encore)
14. Walk in the Shadows and 15. Screaming in Digital – two songs from RFO. You know the drill. Pick one, get rid of the other.
16. Eyes of a Stranger – keep it. The song is too big to not include.

It’d be tough to drop those tunes I mentioned, but there’d still be enough “fan-favourite” material to keep everyone happy I’d think, given the setlist length. Swap in some new songs and you're laughin'.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2018, 04:55:05 PM »
Guardian
Where dreams go to die
Open road
Hellfire
Empire
Roads to madness
Eye 9
Redemption
Spore
Bulletproof
Jet City Woman
Walk in the shadows
Damaged
Take hold of the flame
Spreading the disease
Roads to madness
Eyes of a stranger

I like how you have Roads To Madness in there twice.  I'd watch that any night of the week, and twice on Sunday....or Tuesday....Thursday....Friday.....whenever! in a night for sure!

As much as I love that song. Yes that was a mistake  ;D
I'll add the Promised Land title track in it's place replacing one of those.

I really don't see the band covering anything past Promised Land with Todd.

I posted mine up. What new songs would you guys add into the mix? Lets say if they did six total Todd era songs (you can include unnamed songs from the upcoming record as well)

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2018, 11:30:13 AM »
What new songs would you guys add into the mix? Lets say if they did six total Todd era songs (you can include unnamed songs from the upcoming record as well)

I'd pick 2 songs from the new record, Guardian, Eye 9, Fallout and Spore. High-energy tunes to keep the audience's interest. Those would be my choices.

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2018, 09:48:40 PM »
I'd want them to play songs from the two Todd albums that they haven't played yet.  Basically Don't Look Back, Open Road, and Vindication (once doesn't count ;)) from the 2013 Self-Titled, and I'd love to have them play the entire All There Was/Aftermath/Condition Human suite from Condition Human along with Mercury Rising (what a chorus on that one!) and Just Us.